wow that is some post…

you are a god among people who think they are gods

Has everyone seen this Will Ferrell video. Hillarious.
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Nice, would love to see the Republicans list about the Democrats.

Republicans want you to forget that the US is Free and you should be Controlled by Large Government. Whoops…. That is Democrats… Social Programs that Cost too much to manage because of political Rackets.

Welfare, Medicare, Social Security. I pay into this and I only get 1500 a month? For the few years I live in my golden years!!!!

I’m sensing a little bias… maybe not… it’s a little difficult to detect. a little…

Interesting points; a little redundant. Lacks originality. Good try though.

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Thanks Brad, my mistake. We have it corrected.

Well, the list starts out badly. If you read the New York Times this week they are all upset about the public availability of documents from Saddam’s nuclear weapons program. Yeah, they found a really left handed way of acknowledging Saddam was working on an atomic bomb and was less than a year away from having the bomb.

When you’ve lost the New York Times, you have lost.

America entered the Vietnam war under Presiden Eisenhower, a Republican.

Sorry, buddy, you didn’t read the article closely enough. The point of the article was that Saddam stopped his nuclear program when he was asked to by the UN. And that any justification for going into Iraq for nukes was fabricated.

Republicans want you to forget they have declared war on the middle class and hard working americans.

Republicans want you to forget that they have declared war on the middle class and hard working americans.

Well, 18 things. Truman sent the troups into Korea but wouldn’t let them fight over the 38th parallel. Also, some might argue Johnson started ‘nam but thats not really true, it was Eisenhower, really.
Even so, its’ republicans who wanted this war so bad they found a guy to let them have it.
-k

The struggle for Viet Nam began with the Eisenhower administration. It was part and parcel of the John Foster Dulles’ policies having to do with the “Red Menace. Military aid and and boots on the ground began with Eisenhower. While you are checking that out (you are checking, aren’t you?), look into the 1954 Allen Dulles/CIA operation to overturn the democratically elected but scary Iranian government. Start with Kermit Roosevelt.

Comment by Tom
2006-11-03 16:22:37

I had no idea that Harry Truman (Korean War) and John Kennedy (Vietnam) were republicans.

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Please do be attentive, be intelligent, be reasonable, be responsible.

I have been mulling this bit around for the last several months. I came across a book, noted below, that I purchased in a bookstore in the Ginza, Tokyo in 1968. I was just back from a short duty in Viet Nam. I had thought that LBJ and General Dynamics fit this image but it seem that it is as appropriate today as then.

Daniel Defoe writes of his three days in the pillory, available for public abuse but instead had flowers thrown at him and was well tended by his supporters who sold copies of this pamphlet A Hymn to the Pillory” and his other work that was cause for the punishment, “The Shortest Way with Dissenters”.

The excerpt-

“They that in, vast Employments, rob the State,
See them in thy Embraces meet their Fate; 310
Let not the Millions they by Fraud obtain,
Protect ‘em from the Scandal, or the Pain:
They who from Mean Beginnings grow
To vast Estates, but God knows how;
Who carry untold Sums away, 315
From little Places, with but little Pay:
Who costly Palates Erect,
The Thieves that buds them to Protect;
The Gardens, Grottos, Fountains, Walks, and Groves
Where Vice Triumphs in Pride, and Lawless Loves:
Where mighty Luxury and Drunk’ness Reign’d
Profusely Spend what they Prophanely Gain’d
Tell ‘em there’s Mene Tekel’s * on the Wall,
Tell ‘em the Nations Money paid for all:
Advance by double Front and show, 325
And let us both the Crimes and Persons know:
Place them aloft upon thy Throne,
Who slight the Nations Business for their own;
Neglect their Posts, in spight of Double Pay,
And turn us all in Debt the Shortest Way. 330”

Note

*This is the passage from Daniel regarding the hand Writing on the wall
Daniel 5:25-28

5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
5:26 This [is] the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

** Daniel Defoe: [Defoe, Daniel], J.T. Boulton, ed. Publisher: Schocken 1965, p.106

Democrats want you to forget that they do not have a single well thought out plan for solving any of the important issues today (i.e. immigration, homeland security, North Korea, social security, etc.) Vote Constitutional Party.

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This isn’t a typical blame W rant. This is blaming Republicans.

But I don’t hate Republicans, just the neo-con thugs that have hijacked the Republican party.

Get rid of your neo-con thugs so the Donkeys and Elephants can play nice again.

Wow. I can’t believe there are still people out there who believe the things that ob_one is saying, that there were WMDs, or any of the rest. Soemone needs to pick up a newspaper, and it isn’t the author.

Reblogged at my political site. Well done, excellent list. I know I’ll definitely keep it in mind when I cast my ballot. Things like this make me feel all that much better about my decisions.

HA HA, good show!

Oh, and if I could add a 20th point to round it off…

The Republicans want you to forget that deficits do indeed matter, especially when China has $1 trillion in reserves, much of it in American debt.

Hey, look on the bright side people, at least we get to watch the American empire fall! How many people alive today are able to say they watched the Roman Empire fall?

I never blamed W in this post.

I blame all Republicans who allowed their party to get hi-jacked by the neo-con goon squad.

The biggest fault of the Republicans is their hypocrisy. They are so blind to their own faults that they don’t see in themselves what they see in Democrats and anyone else who disagrees with them.

Do they really think that Ted Haggard only paid for a massage? Would they forgive anyone else accused of the something similar (e.g. Bill Clinton)?

I didn’t think so.

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck them all.

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Bravo!

I don’t think the American “Empire” will fall. I do believe that there are people in America who think it is an empire, but there are plenty who think otherwise.

The number one thing Americans need to do is restore system of checks and balances by getting another party in power in one of the branches of government, thus, forcing cooperation instead of exclusion and bullying.

The closest this website has ever come to endorsing a candidate from a political party was when Oscar wrote an article declaring an Independent the winner in a debate:

http://eightandfive.com/2006/10/30/winner-robert-fitzgerald/

But maybe I will make a list of things Democrats want you to forget just for the hell of it.

I will publish it on November 8th, 2006.

You forgot to list all the corporate pandering that has been done. You forgot to list all the pro-corporate/anti-consumer laws thats have been passed (gambling, bankruptcy) that cater to big business and gives kickbacks to all the top bush buddies. You did not mention the faked death of ken lay, bush’s long term friend that died mysteriously and was “cremated” within hours. You forgot to mention jacked up gas prices and the war profiteering in iraq for cheney and the bird flu scare to boost rumsfields flu stock. This list barely scratches the surface.

We only have so much server space!

I have friends who never, NEVER buy into conspiracy theories. But even they think Lay’s death was mysterious.

“Republicans want you to forget that sending jobs overseas takes jobs away from working Americans.”
Are we protectionist? should we close our borders? Democrats are against the right of Indians and Chinease to make a $ and raise thier standard of living?

“Republicans want you to forget that they don’t want Social Security to exist at all, instead, you get whatever money you have managed to save when you retire.”
You can argu against the solution they offered, but this is hardly it. by most statistical mesurments, you will have more money.

“Republicans want you to forget that fuel costs have doubled since 2000, but your income has not.”
If it goes up, they are evil, when it goes down, they are also evil. if no matter what the facts are it is an argument against them, then it is an invalid one. Also, again, what is the problem? Democrats want low prices or green energy? can they decide already?

Republicans want you to forget that even though you are not making record profits, oil companies are.
D&J and S”&P are doing very well. Energy sector is a small % of that, so this statment is false.

your confusion has been recently made clear to me czech. i meant that trumans orders were only to retake south korea. mcarthur made the unilateral decision to disobey the president’s orders and invade north korea. hence the disgraceful end to his career.

From StarTribune.com letters:

Longtime Republican says Bush is running the country into the ground

I have been a middle-of-the-road Republican most of my life. I have a simple conservative belief: conserve what is good; change what is bad.

My Republican Party was taken over in 2001 by a group seeking above all power: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Ken Rove and later Donald Rumsfeld. Their quest for power has only been exceeded by their incompetence. What has struck me was the way the rest of the Republican Party kowtowed to the bullying tactics of these men and let our country fall into the pitiable state it is now in.

In my mind Bush had decided to go to war with Iraq even before he was in office. I hope now everyone knows there were no weapons of mass destruction or terrorists in Iraq before the war. After the war (”mission accomplished”) Iraq was a breeding ground for terrorists and suddenly there was a brand-new guerrilla war. With his usual incompetence Bush had disbanded the Iraqi army, the one built-in peacekeeping force in Iraq.

Now, Bush is faced with a real nuclear danger in North Korea and Iran, but because of Iraq, he is helpless to do anything about it.

I lament over our 2,700 brave service men and women killed in Iraq and the 20,000 wounded. And who knows how many hundred thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed

Could anyone not be critical of Bush’s noncaring incompetence? Members of the Republican Party must speak out. They call it Bush-bashing. Well, he should be bashed.

The Republican Party used to be known as the party of fiscal responsibility, but Bush and company have changed that, running up debts in the trillions. It seems almost ludicrous that he has slashed taxes for the rich.

They call it free trade and Bush has let other countries wipe the floor with Americans and American rights. Jobs are outsourced, families destroyed in the name of free trade and globalization. The labor movement has lost its clout, because if a strike is threatened the corporations may gleefully outsource their jobs. The middle class is heading for destruction. It used to be Americans first. Now it’s “let ‘em eat cake.”

The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina has been so incompetently handled it brings tears to your eyes. After World War II the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, but today New Orleans is still a mess.

Bush condones torture in this country. Imagine: The United States of America allowing torture! After the Bataan death march in World War II we still wouldn’t even consider torture. The Japanese POWs couldn’t believe that they were being treated so well.

Prisoners are held without being charged and without access to a lawyer. The Nazis at Nuremburg, the worst criminals in the history of the world, were given lawyers and a fair trial.

And what might end up the most serious charge against Bush is the global warming he has neglected and largely ridiculed. We don’t know yet what this will do to mankind and our planet.

Ever since I was a young man in Fargo, I have had a warm spot in my heart for the Republican Party. GOP: Grand Old Party. The party of Abraham Lincoln. It was a party of responsibility, something you could count on. I fondly remember a picture of my uncle Milton Rue (who was head of North Dakota’s Republican Party in the 1950s) riding in a car with President Dwight Eisenhower. They were laughing and talking, obviously friends. They are no doubt turning over in their graves at the fumblings of Bush.

At that time, I was a jet fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force, fiercely patriotic (still am) and proud of my country. But I can’t be proud of this man who is running our country into the ground.

I could go on and on about Bush and his pathetic crew, but now I can only hope that the November election stops him.

RICHARD RUE, WAYZATA

So true .

its not they want you to forget.

its just they dont want you to think for yourself

The only reason why people hate bush so much is because they can’t understand how a hick could become president and not one of there own gems of perfection like gore or kerry. One day you might realize you are not so perfect and are actually quite stupid. Until then you’ll spout your nonsense crap.

You know, as a Canadian I can fairly say I have somewhat as a bias in this. Personally, I hate what has happened to the Republican Party (Regime?). However, the States loss means that our country does a little better in comparison. Not a whole lot, as our economies are tied quite closely, but a little. Our dollar has gotten itself out of its pitiful slump, mostly thanks to the american government.

That said, it’s amazing how ignorant people can be. There are two sides to EVERY story, and looking at what has been happening, the “ignorant american” title so heard outside your borders has never been so obvious and true. How can this party stay in power?

I’m not saying vote R, I’m not saying vote D. Way up north our system works a little differently, we have a party called the “Liberals” which is in the middle ground. Not left winged, not right winged, it should be in the middle (doesn’t always work that way, thats the idea). Maybe it’s time America tried something of the same?

I mean, how FREE are you when you only have the choice of two?

If the neo-con thugs steal another election, you may have an immigration problem as disenfranchised voters migrate to Canada.

Either that or we’ll just move to one of the tent cities that form up in Wal-Mart’s parking lots. After poor folks suddenly stop buying stuff because they don’t have anymore nickels left…they’ll have to live somewhere.

The Repug’s do not want you to remember Katrina, unless your a white supremicist in which case they have probably already sent you a flyer about it.

They want you to remember that they are the party of personal responsibility but corporations and politicians should only be responsible to the stock market. They also want you to forget that even if they are not George W. they have protected him from any investigation or oversight. They also want you to forget that a vote for a Dem is a vote for investigations to commence that should have started 5 years ago in some cases. If you do not believe in freedom or accountability vote Repug so we can have more rights taken away for the citizens and not have to fear any investigation that may make Fox news look like liars.

I agree I miss looking at Repug’s as people that are patriotic but have a different approach to helping this country than the Dem’s. It was not long ago that I had no beef with Repug’s even though I did not agree with what they thought were good policies we still lived and died TOGETHER in my opinion. I no longer feel that way, now if someone tells me they are a Repug I walk away and never speak to them again. I no longer have any sense of humour about it. After Katrina I stopped telling myself they were misled by talk radio and Fox News and began to see them as Collaborators to this criminal administration. I hate what has happened to this country. Five years ago Repug or Dem I did not care although I voted Dem I looked at it as a disagreement of how to approach a common goal, now I see them as traitors to our nation and its founding ideas. I want to be able to shake a Repug’s hand again without wanting to spit in their face for supporting a facist regieme. I want to be able to trust my fellow citizens again to not take my rights because 1)they dont agree 2) it doesnt affect them. “If your neighbors house is on fire then yours is not safe either.” Please Republicans everywhere, please vote for people that will give us our rights back and investigate all the questionable things that have been done in the last 5 years. Whether a Dem or an Independant or just not voting at all. We only need one good election for the investigations to take place and if the Neo-cons did nothing wrong fine I just want someone to please god check after that vote Republican all you want. If not I will make sure to not cross the street to piss on a Repug if they were on fire. I feel I have more in common now with citizens all over this world than I do with the other side in MY OWN COUNTRY what the fuck has happened!

I do agree with some points.

I do want to be able to shake a Republican’s hand without feeling like they are selling out to the fringe sector of their party.

But I do have Republicans in my family so I do have hope for them, and for America.

I used to wonder WTF has happened to America but I think it is obvious: those who have money influence the outcome of elections.

They passed laws to limit campaign finance…but both political parties just moved their unlimited funding into 527s.

That is also why they skewered Howard Dean and his money-making internet machine. It wasn’t supposed to be possible to raise $15 MILLION dollars without kow-towing to corporate thugs, but he did it. They smoked his ass for it and turned him into a good little soldier working as the head of the Democrat party…as long as he doesn’t open his mouth.

The key to fix politics in America is by removing the corporate money from the politics.

It will not likely happen in our lifetime, but if we keep that as a goal, if we tell our children and our children’s children that it is unethical and anti-American to allow those with the money to tell those without the money how things are going to run…then someday things might change.

Thus…then the TV ads are too negative, when things seem at thier worst, when it looks like nothing good can happen and our boys are getting beat down, above all else we need to remember:

STAY ON TARGET!

And that is how “19 Things the Republicans Want You to Forget” was born.

I voted for Jesse Ventura.

As far as I am concerned, Republicans and Democrats both need to clean house.

That being said, it will be better for America to toss the neo-con thugs out on their asses before it’s too late.

It is damn near too late.

If it is idiotic, then why did you respond?

Follow the links. I sourced my statements!

Pull your head out President Bush’s ass and you might see the light.

If you post more neo-con thug B.S, I will be forced to delete your gibberish.

Now go play nice and STFU.

You apparently did care as you claimed it was all opinion. If it were all opinion, I would not have been able to source the statements. YOUR statements were 100% opinion and you did not qualify or prove even one thing you said. You just posted a bunch of baseless rhetoric.

I am not threatening anything other than deleting your B.S. neo-con thug, intimidation tactics propaganda.

You can’t silence me.

The truthiness is out there.

We can still be friends after the bums get tossed on November 7th.

lawl, you’re such a n00b.

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hahaha a democrat started WW2 did he. Bloody Hitler. I always knew the nazi party was a front.

How to get your coment deleted—-
1) Use a fake e-mail address.
2) Attempt to hijack this comment thread.

“Republicans want you to forget that fuel costs have doubled since 2000, but your income has not.”

I encourage you to invest some time in studying even the most basic principles of economic theory. I would start by looking at the basic principles of Supply and Demand which offer an explanation for the increase in fuel costs due to the lack of supply caused by the destruction of oil rigs by natural disasters and the ridiculous environmental taxes placed on businesses that render them inefficient and influence their output. It seems like even though you claim to be “educated” your pulling sources from 3rd party web sites which can be severely biased and backed up with made up facts. Wikipedia is not a credible website.If your interested in economics I recommend Thomas Sowell’s book “Basic Economics.”

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